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Volume 44: Number 24

Tue, 28 Apr 2026

• 1. Re: eat human flesh or pig meat (Eli Turkel)
• 2. Re: If there is a siren (Danny Schoemann)

[R Joel Rich:]
> "Looking for a write up of the classic question of whether one should eat
> human flesh or pig meat in a pikuach nefesh situation, in particular the
> supposed positions of R Amital and R Lichtenstein,

Rav Amital's opinion appears in print. Though the opinion of Rav
Lichtenstein is quoted many times, I have not found any original source
for that opinion. Rav Amital's opinion is based on the concept of
natural law. There are numerous articles on the possible concept of
natural law with halacha, It is connected to the debate over "lifnim
mishurat hadin". How can there be an obligation but not be within
din. Rav Aharon Lichtenstein wrote an article that led to many others,
both supporting and arguing with his contentions, including a recent
article by Rav Meir Lichtenstein

R' Joel Rich asked:

> What would your answer be to
> the last question in the thread
>  below? Does Dina Dmalchuta
> play a role (given the debate as
> to which areas of halacha it applies
> to)? Would the evaluation be based
> on the public perception of risk,
> your personal risk tolerance,
> statistical probabilities or >something else?

> Q.If there is a siren, and entering
> the only available protected space
> would involve yichud, should one
> enter or not?
> A.If it pikuach nefesh, you should
> go in.
> Q. How do you know if it's pikuach
>  nefesh or not?

When I asked my Rov, R' Dovid A. Morgenstern shlita, he told me that in
Jerusalem, (or at least in our Northern neighborhood, Ramat Shlomo) since
nothing seems to fall, we do not have to go into safe rooms. (That evening
a missile landed half a mile away on the main road. But he didn't say that
he changed his mind. And that was the only item that fell in the vicinity,
that caused any damage.)

He clearly said that in Tel Aviv or Haifa, he would give a very different
psak.

(He also asked me, why was I asking him? since we were both walking to
Mincha, 3 minutes after the siren.)

Unrelated, or not.
I recently asked him about Yichud in an elevator in a high-rise building.
He said that for Yichud we did not take Own?s (i.e. rape) into
consideration. Therefore the shiur of Yichud is around 5 minutes; the time
it would take to seduce a lady you've never met, do the act, and then to
get  dressed properly so nobody could tell.
Five minutes is also what we use for Yichud at weddings, he told me.

So even if the safe room is locked from the inside, and nobody could come
in, if you stay for less than 5 minutes you could circumvent the Yichud
issue.

Kol Tuv,

- Danny
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