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Volume 44: Number 26

Wed, 06 May 2026

• 1. ALL 24000 died (mco...@touchlogic.com)
• 2. Re: ALL 24000 died (Isaac Balbin)
• 3. neglecting the law (Joel Rich)
• 4. decision on one?s own (Joel Rich)

this quote that i saw would answer all your questions..
 
The ???????? says they all died of a disease called ??????????. 
 
According to Harav Hagaon Y. Henkin zt"l and others, the ???????? uses
?????????? as a code for getting killed fighting the Romans.

dk where to find this inside (or who 'others' is)

mc

You aren't considering that they died as soldiers in War as per R' Sherira
Gaon and others with the Gemara's description being that had they been
united perhaps they would have not been slaughtered by the Romans. In
this reading, Askera is a euphemism (see Lev Ivri from Rav Henkin)

Rav Schachter, explained that Rav Henkin wrote in that essay that the
Rabbis in the Gemara were afraid to write the truth, so they wrote a
ridiculous version of the story that everybody knew was just a code --
that they died in the Bar Kochba Revolt

From the recently published Aggadot HaRav
Thoughts?

There was another commandment at hand: Joseph, the old grandfather, had
commanded his family: ?When God will indeed remember you, then you shall
bring my bones up out of here? (Gen. 50:25). Moses was fulfilling this
commandment.

Now a learned Jew with a sharp head would stroke his beard and say: Let us
see, which commandment should one preferably fulfill? The command to borrow
from Egypt is a Torah commandment, and a valuable one at that.

On the other hand, obeying the words of the deceased is a Rabbinic mitzvah.
Furthermore, according to some Rishonim, this applies only to the children
of the deceased; thus, more distant descendants may have been under no
obligation to fulfill Joseph?s request to be buried in the land of Israel???
As such, it appears that everyone was technically exempt from taking care
of Joseph?s bones. In contrast, borrowing from the Egyptians was a
full-fledged positive commandment incumbent upon everyone! ?..
In a Torah lecture, it would be possible to prove unequivocally that the
borrowing should take precedence. Yet, of all people, it was Moses?the
greatest Torah authority ever?who was not going along with this line of
reasoning.
It is quite possible that Moses was not acting in keeping with Truth?the
law. It was the Jews who were cramming the spoils into their sacks who were
fulfilling the law. Nevertheless, Moses felt that he had to act in
accordance with Kindness, which dictated showing respect to Joseph.???.
Given Joseph?s role in preserving the Jewish people, Moses was willing to
risk being punished in Gehinnom for neglecting the law. Moses chose to act
according to the heart of the Torah, not the brain. This loyalty, this
kindness, that Moses demonstrated toward Joseph was a manifestation of the
remarkable personality of Moses?he personified the verse ?The wise of heart
will seize good deeds.? This wisdom resides not in the head, but in the
heart. One can only acquire it if one engages in Torah study for its own
sake. Studying not for its own sake involves only the brain, not the heart.
Those who study with their heart sometimes have a different Shul?an Arukh.
That is what Rav Safra prayed for.


KT
Joel Rich
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From the recently published Aggadot HaRav (p. 76)
Thoughts?
However, there are questions about honoring parents, educating children,
giving charity, helping others, guarding one?s tongue, general questions
about faith, as well as various questions concerning thought and feelings,
that were not necessarily ruled on by rabbis. Simple Jews would render
decisions in such cases. Do you think that they knew how to learn Gemara? I
knew Jews who were incapable of reading even one line of Gemara without the
vowel signs. Nevertheless, I saw their conduct. As a child, I knew a
certain craftsman. In retrospect, if I visualize his conduct, I see that he
acted according to the Torah! And that Jew could barely get through the
weekly Torah portion. Somehow, there was a feeling inculcated in him from
generations ago, practically an instinct, telling him: Such-and-such is
Jewish, such-and-such is not Jewish.

The best scenario in Judaism is to render a decision on one?s own. People
are reluctant to do so, but that is the mandate: ?To know My ways.? This
happens when a Jew develops a certain sense, a sixth sense in his life. He
does not have to think in order to know what is Jewish and what is not
Jewish, that this is the way one should act, and that is the way one should
not act.

kt

joel rich
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