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Volume 05 : Number 029

Saturday, April 29 2000

• shaving on yom ha'azmaot
• Yom Tov Sheini shel Galuyot
• Re: aniyei ircha
• Re: RW Revisionism
• Sources on each word divine
• Sources on each word divine
• Re: Request for your tefilot
• Korban Todah/HaGomel/Yetziyas Mitzrayim
• Re: Yom Tov Sheini shel Galuyot
• Re: Request for your tefilot
• Shaking Hands

does anyone know of written pskei halacha which mattir
shaving on Israel independence day?

thanks


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A friend of mine just returned from a Sabbatical in the States and
indicated that it is very common for Israelis to go to work and do
Melachah even befarhesyah, in public, on Yom Tov Sheni shel Galuyot -
contrary to the Psak of the Shakh (who forbids melakhah even "behadrei
Hadarim", in private) and the Taz (who only permits melakhah in private)
- see "Shmirat Shabbat Kehilkhata" and "Yom Tov Sheini".  I had always
assumed that it was based on "an oral Tradition of Amaratzut", but he
indicated that local US rabbi intimated from the Bimah that Israelis
could do Melakha. Is any one aware of any clear referenced pesakim by
reliable sources to that effect?
	Happy Isru Chag
		Aryeh

On 24 Apr 00, at 21:54, Chana/Heather Luntz wrote:

> As I suspected, this discussion is in the context of the heter mechira.
> Because, in order to justify the heter, it needs to be legitimate to
> sell Eretz Yisroel to a non Jew, and, while there are no problems with
> selling land to a ger toshav, there are to an oved cochavim.  

Not necessarily. See Chapter 12 of the Introduction to Shabbat 
Ha'Aretz.

> I must say, at the risk of sounding political, that the above would seem
> to suggest that, at least on this, the Supreme Court may have been
> right, and that, rather than the debate being religion versus democracy
> (as the Financial Times recently portrayed it), it may even be the
> Jewish Agency versus the halacha.

Not if (a) you do not accept the heter mechira, or (b) you accept 
the heter mechira, but you hold like Rav Kook did that the issur of 
lo s'choneim is not violated when you sell land in Eretz Yisrael to a 
non-Jew who already owns land here.

Forgive me if this repeats ground that I covered this morning. I 
could not find this post at home this morning.

-- Carl


Carl M. Sherer, Adv.
Silber, Schottenfels, Gerber & Sherer
Telephone 972-2-625-7751
Fax 972-2-625-0461
mailto:cmsherer@ssgslaw.co.il
mailto:sherer@actcom.co.il

Please daven and learn for a Refuah Shleima for my son,
Baruch Yosef ben Adina Batya among the sick of Israel.
Thank you very much.

On 25 Apr 00, at 0:15, Carl and Adina Sherer wrote:

> Addendum from Micha (joys of moderating... <grin>):
> If someone in E"Y faxes me something on Y"T sheini shel goliyos, isn't the
> fax nolad? (Assuming that we hold that a fax on Shabbos is nolad because of
> the shinui sheim from "paper" to "fax", or for another reason.)

In this case, at least, the question is moot, because I forgot the 
letter at home :-( 

There was actually a lengthy discussion about this on mail jewish 
a few months back, but I don't recall the conclusion.

-- Carl


Carl M. Sherer, Adv.
Silber, Schottenfels, Gerber & Sherer
Telephone 972-2-625-7751
Fax 972-2-625-0461
mailto:cmsherer@ssgslaw.co.il
mailto:sherer@actcom.co.il

Please daven and learn for a Refuah Shleima for my son,
Baruch Yosef ben Adina Batya among the sick of Israel.
Thank you very much.

Shalom and Shana Tovah,

The Rambam wrote that every word of Torah was written by Moses as dictated 
by G-d (Tfillah 13:6). He also wrote that anyone claiming otherwise, even 
that one letter was not dictated by G-d to Moses, is a Kofer BaTorah and has 
no portion in the world to come (Tshuva 13:8). The Kesf Mishneh wrote that 
Maimonides's decision is based on Sanhedrin 90b and 99b.

What do other Rishonim have to say on the topic?

Ibn Ezra feels that the last 13 verses were written by Joshua. What does he 
hold with regards to the rest of the Torah?

I once heard that a letter recently showed up authored by Rabbi Yehudah 
Halevi (or was it HaChassid) saying that not all of Torah was Moshe MiPi 
HaGvurah. Does anyone have any more information on such a letter or on 
opinions of other Rishonim in this area?

Shabbat Shalom,

Moshe

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I forgot to mention a Rashi on the topic.

When the angels leave Avraham G-d is still there being as he had not yet 
left since "Vayera", but the Passuk says that Avraham still stood before 
G-d. Rashi explains that "Tikun Sofrim Hu Ze" to say the more respectable, 
"And Abraham was still standing before G-d" rather than the reverse. In some 
editions, Rashi goes on to say, "Asher Hufchuhu Zichronam LiVracha Lichtov 
Ken" which seems to very clearly say that Chazal changed the actual text.

Anyhow, that's all I have to say on the topic. I will now step off stage and 
hear what others have to say.
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Does anyone know the basis of the seemingly prevalent minhag of changing 
one's seat even on shabbat - why this does not constitute a public show of 
aveilut?

Kol Tuv,
Joel Rich

>>>the four types of risk (crossing a wilderness, being 
in jail, dangerous illness and crossing the sea) are 
derived from Tehillim 107. Note again the number: four. 
The Vilna Gaon associates yetzias Mitzrayim with these 
four salvations. <<<

The 4 are mechayev korban todah.  The Netziv also 
writes that the 3 matzos of the seder correspond
to the 3 types of matzah offered with the korban todah.

-Chaim B.

On 27 Apr 00, at 10:07, Prof. Aryeh A. Frimer wrote:

> A friend of mine just returned from a Sabbatical in the States and
> indicated that it is very common for Israelis to go to work and do
> Melachah even befarhesyah, in public, on Yom Tov Sheni shel Galuyot -
> contrary to the Psak of the Shakh (who forbids melakhah even "behadrei
> Hadarim", in private) and the Taz (who only permits melakhah in private)
> - see "Shmirat Shabbat Kehilkhata" and "Yom Tov Sheini".  I had always
> assumed that it was based on "an oral Tradition of Amaratzut", but he
> indicated that local US rabbi intimated from the Bimah that Israelis
> could do Melakha. Is any one aware of any clear referenced pesakim by
> reliable sources to that effect?

I can give you one source who paskened that we could not do 
melacha on the second day of Yom Tov in the States - even 
b'tzina. We spent Pesach in the States in 1994, and asked Rav 
Moshe Tendler if we could do laundry in my in-laws' house (this 
was before they made aliya) on the eighth day of Pesach while 
they were in shul. His answer was no.

-- Carl


Please daven and learn for a Refuah Shleima for our son,
Baruch Yosef ben Adina Batya among the sick of Israel.  
Thank you very much.

Carl and Adina Sherer
mailto:sherer@actcom.co.il

On 27 Apr 00, at 21:47, Joelirich@aol.com wrote:

> Does anyone know the basis of the seemingly prevalent minhag of changing 
> one's seat even on shabbat - why this does not constitute a public show of 
> aveilut?

It's actually a machlokes between the Mechaber and the Rama 
whether you should change your seat on Shabbos at all - 
presumably for the reason you cite. See YD 369:4, Sdei Chemed 
in Aveilus 209 (citing the Chida), Shach YD 369:17, Biur HaGra YD 
369, Radbaz 662 and Igros Moshe YD 257. All of these mekoros 
are brought in Mourning in Halacha Chapter 27, Pages 262-63, 
Notes 9 and 10 (no, I would not have them handy otherwise).

-- Carl


Please daven and learn for a Refuah Shleima for our son,
Baruch Yosef ben Adina Batya among the sick of Israel.  
Thank you very much.

Carl and Adina Sherer
mailto:sherer@actcom.co.il

Yesterday I heard a local rav give a shiur on, among other things, men shaking 
hands with women.  He was extremely adamant that it was absolutely assur but, on
the assumption that most people weren't going to listen to him, gave many 
suggestions on how and when to avoid it.

What surprised me was that this rav, though not a YU talmid, worked at the OU 
for many years and I thought that RYBS was somewhat lenient about this.  I seem 
to remember hearing this when I was in YU.  This rav read aloud from a teshuvah 
in Igros Moshe and said that no one of R. Moshe Feinstein's stature had ever 
been lenient.

Does anyone know if RYBS was lenient that shaking hands is not considered derech
chibah?  Did you hear it first hand or from someone else (and from whom)?

Any other sources on the subject?

Thanks,

Gil Student
gil.student@citicorp.com

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