Volume 26: Number 148
Mon, 27 Jul 2009
Subjects Discussed In This Issue:
Message: 1
From: Yitzhak Grossman <cele...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:25:23 -0400
Subject: Re: [Avodah] Tzeni'us and gender roles
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:23:31 +0000
rabbirichwol...@gmail.com wrote:
...
> Judaism has faced off with many isms during the last several centuries
...
> Capitalism
> Almost each one threatens to compromise Torah values
When has Judaism "faced off with" capitalism?
Yitzhak
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From: Micha Berger <mi...@aishdas.org>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:31:46 -0400
Subject: Re: [Avodah] Tzeni'us and gender roles
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 08:25:23PM -0400, Yitzhak Grossman wrote:
: When has Judaism "faced off with" capitalism?
Money vs religion is a common conflict. And the two often recommend
different answers.
How about the American immigrant who chose a 7 day job over Shabbos?
Or his grandson who chose a career rather than staying in places that
have the necessary servives (shul, chinukh, miqvah, kosher food). I
think the birth of the American C movement can be viewed as product of
people trying to compromise their way through that conflict.
-Micha
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Message: 3
From: rabbirichwol...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 02:13:46 +0000
Subject: Re: [Avodah] Tzeni'us and gender roles
Yitzchak
> I really don't know what you're trying to say here. There's probably
> no intrinsic Halachic objection to trading in organs, aside from the
> DDMD issue. Do you mean to suggest a problem of Ona'ah? In any
> event, I see no evidence here of a face-off between Judaism and
> capitalism.
Ein hachi nami
Capitalism: maximize Profit
Torah: DDMD
See the conflict?!
For more conflicts between raw Capitalism and ethics read Marx's Capital
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capitalism.
There hasn't been pure capitalism at least since Teddy Roosevelt or
probably even earlier when Fiske and Gould tried to corner the Gold
Market.
V'ein kan mekomo...
KT
RRW
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Message: 4
From: Yitzhak Grossman <cele...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 22:23:09 -0400
Subject: Re: [Avodah] Tzeni'us and gender roles
On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:31:46 -0400
Micha Berger <mi...@aishdas.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 08:25:23PM -0400, Yitzhak Grossman wrote:
> : When has Judaism "faced off with" capitalism?
>
> Money vs religion is a common conflict. And the two often recommend
> different answers.
Unlike all the other "isms" on RRW's list, the *ideology* of capitalism
doesn't really conflict with the Torah. Yes, in our vale of tears
people will often be tempted to do the wrong thing, but capitalism
doesn't contradict the Torah or the Mesorah in the ways that the others
do.
Yitzhak
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Message: 5
From: Yitzhak Grossman <cele...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 22:34:22 -0400
Subject: Re: [Avodah] Tzeni'us and gender roles
On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 23:57:47 +0100
"Chana Luntz" <ch...@kolsassoon.org.uk> wrote:
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> No idea whether maharats will help deal with this mess - and whether they
> should (maybe we should just have some more thundering - but you still
> haven't addressed the question as to how a single woman is supposed to
> develop a relationship with a Rav, contrary to the traditional model - but
> then again maybe she shouldn't and mutav shoggagin - which seems to have
> been at least one way the question has been answered in the halachic
> literature - think women's jewelry), but once you frame the issue as about
> public need as you do, then it is not very hard to see the public need that
> is arguably being addressed.
I don't have the book in front of me, but ISTR that David Malkiel has
a fascinating and provocative discussion of the issue of "women's
Halachah" in general, and the jewelery issue in particular, in his
recent "Reconstructing Ashkenaz - The Human Face of Franco-German
Jewry, 1000-1250".
Yitzhak
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Message: 6
From: Eli Turkel <elitur...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:53:15 +0300
Subject: [Avodah] license for doctors
From the encyclopedia of medical halacha od Dr. Steinberg
1. No everyone who wants to be a doctor can take the title - Pele Yoetz
2. There is a difference between rofeh mumche (licensed) and non mumche in terms
of their obligation to pay for damages
Tosefta Gittin 3:13, Baba Kama 6:6 and 9:3
Divrei Shaul YD 365, Maaseh Avraham YD55 explain that this means
that they received a license from a bet din familiar with medical practice
Bet Hillel YD136, Arukh HaShulchan 336b, Tzitz Eliezer 5:Ramat Rachel 22 assume
that the bet din only verified an outside license from a medical board
3. Bet Hillel YD 336a, Olat Shmuel 108, Shiurei Beracha OC 328:9 Arukh
HaShulchan 336:2
Tzitz Eliezer (above) and also R. Zlberstein all state that today a
doctor is a rofeh mumche if he has a license from the government
and one no longer needs the permission of a bet din
without a license one is not a mumcheh and liable for all damages
--
Eli Turkel
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Message: 7
From: Shlomo Pick <pic...@mail.biu.ac.il>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 09:15:44 +0300
Subject: [Avodah] scale is way far off
I) The scale is quite different, at least in an absolute sense; about
300,000 Jews were massacred by Chmielnicki, compared to the six million
in the Holocaust.
(http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=469
<http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=469&;letter=C> &letter=C)
As usual modern scholarship, being more up to date, takes a hard look at
these figures.
See the article by s. Stampher, jewish history, 17 (2003), 207-227. the
figures for ukranian jews who were massacred are at a maximum 20,000.
Further information at:
http://michtavim.blogspot.com/2009/05/chmielnitzky-chmielnicki-khm
elnytsky.h
tml
shlomo
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