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Volume 35: Number 33

Sun, 19 Mar 2017

• 1. Re: Where to Give Tzadakah ()
• 2. Kosher for Passover Chocolate Only If Purchased Before Bedikas Chometz! (Prof. Levine)
• 3. Re: Kosher for Passover Chocolate Only If Purchased Before Bedikas Chometz! (Zev Sero)
• 4. Will Purim Be The Only Yom Tov Left Standing After Moshiach Comes? Let's Take a Closer Look (Eli Turkel)
• 5. kashering question (saul newman)
• 6. Re: purim drink (Micha Berger)
• 7. Re: kavua/Rov (Micha Berger)
• 8. Re: Will Purim Be The Only Yom Tov Left Standing After Moshiach Comes? Let's Take a Closer Look (Micha Berger)
• 9. Re: purim drink (Lisa Liel)
• 10. ?Bikeish Yaakov leishev b?shalva.? (Rich, Joel)
• 11. fruit tree (saul newman)
• 12. Pikudei (Cantor Wolberg)
• 13. Ramban on Taking a Census (Ben Waxman)

 



>> Do not local institutions come first in the list of  whom to give 
Tzadakah to?  And if so,  what is to happen to the many  requests for funds from 
worthy institutions in EY?  <<


YL

 
 
>>>>>
Ani'yei ircha kodmim.
 
At the same time, Yerushalayim is every Jew's "ircha."  Someone  here will 
surely be able to cite chapter and verse to back that up.

--Toby Katz
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Please see

http://shop.equalexchange.coop/pesach


 From this web site


What Makes This Chocolate Kosher for Passover


The products offered through this fundraiser (on this website) are 
soy lecithin-free, meaning that they do not contain any soy products 
(kitniyot), which are prohibited on Passover for Ashkenazi Jews. 
Rabbi Aaron Alexander, Associate Dean, Ziegler School of Rabbinic 
Studies at the American Jewish University, has approved them as 
Kosher for Passover if acquired before bedikat chametz (the night 
before first seder). They are listed in the Conservative movement's 
Passover guide under the category of items that do not need a special 
Kosher for Passover certification if purchased in advance. They are 
also vegan and gluten-free.


Aside from the fact that the hashgacha is given by Conservative 
clergyman, I do not understand why these items are kosher for 
Passover only if purchased before bedikas Chometz.  Can anyone enlighten me?


YL

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On 15/03/17 14:56, Prof. Levine via Avodah wrote:
>
>
> Aside from the fact that the hashgacha is given by Conservative
> clergyman, I do not understand why these items are kosher for Passover
> only if purchased before bedikas Chometz.  Can anyone enlighten me?

What hashgacha?  There is no hashgacha, and none is even *purported* to 
exist.   What is cited is a psak from this person that one may eat these 
products *without* any certification, because whatever minuscule amount 
of chametz might be present was batel lach belach before the issur was 
chal, and is not chozer vene'or.   So why before the bedika rather than 
before the bi'ur?  Probably a miscommunication, but perhaps a gezera for 
people who pay no attention to zmanei hayom.

-- 
Zev Sero                May 2017, with its *nine* days of Chanukah,
z...@sero.name           be a brilliant year for us all

<<The gemara says this was because his fellow members of Sanhedrin
avoided him because of all the necessary bitul Torah which caused
him to fall behin. He was demoted from the 4th to 5th seat on the
Sanhedrin, and apparently some were wondering why he was still in
it altogether. That mi'ut no longer found him ratzui -- as a TC, no
judgment as a tzadiq. After all, lehalakhah while he was right to save
Kelal Yisrael despiute bitul Torah. (An individual's life is enough
to justify bitul Torah, after all.)

Even when the cost benefit analysis advises action, there is still that
pesky cost. >>

I find this a little like the tail the dog. We all study how Mordecai and
Esther were the heros of Purim. The possible objections of members of the
Sanhedrin has been lost in the dustbins of history.
Yes it would be nice if Joseph would have been learning Torah all day
instead of being viceroy to Pharoh but in the end he saved the family and
so Jewish history.

I am sure that even major gedolim like R Yehudah haNasi "wasted" time on
political leadership and not just pure Torah matters. I remember a story of
one of the RY of Telshe (1950-1970s)  lamented on the time he spent going
around the world collecting money for the yeshiva instead of just teaching
Torah. Sure there was a cost but he provided for many others to learn Torah.

Everything in life is a question of balancing. There are very few things
without any cost.

-- 
Eli Turkel
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anyone have any idea of how to kasher a faucet that has a pull down sprayer
hose ?
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On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 09:33:48AM -0700, saul newman via Avodah wrote:
: if one neither drank alcohol  nor slept on purim, what mitzva did they
: violate? were they yotzeh the mitzva of eating a seuda on purim?

http://www.torahmusings.com/2013/02/drinking-on-purim-2/
http://www.torahmusings.com/2014/03/drinking-on-purim-3/

The Ran, the Baal haMaor, the Shibolei haleqet, the Bach, the Taz
and the Arukh haShulchan say there is no such chuyuv. Not as an
actual mandatory obligation.

The Baal haMaor reads the gemara as "Rabba Shechat lei leR' Zeira
is the masqana, and one is not supposed to drink on Purim.

And then...

It's a whole sugya, those two posts -- by R MD Lebovitz (and reviewed by
R's Ben-Zion Shiffenbaur and R' Y Belsky) and R' Arie Enken, respectively
-- have very different but consistent descriptions of it.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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On Thu, Mar 02, 2017 at 12:37:07PM +0000, Rich, Joel via Avodah wrote:
: I've always wondered about the underlying seeming discontinuity in
: treating a safeik in a kavua (doubt generated in its original location)
: as 50/50, whereas any other safeik gets adjudicated based on statistical
: majority (the whole 10 stores thing). I'm wondering if this might have
: anything to do with behavioral economics heuristics (Kahnemann/Tversky,
: et al). I have some thoughts on the matter and would be interested in
: hearing from others.

There are many modern TiDE-like theories.

Shu"t R' Aqiva Eiger says it's that kol deparish is a means of assigning
a halakhah to an unknown metzi'us, whereas qavua is a case where the
object had a known metzi'us and thus a halachic state, but now we don't
know what it is.

I suggested here repeatedly in the past (since vol 1, and on Mail-Jewish
before we existed) that this could be because we deal more with how the
person percieves the metzi'us than with objective reality. Hints of this
exist in the terms "metzi'us", "mamashus", etc... So that safeiq and the
lack of halachic existence of microscopic bugs are aspects of a single
taam hamitzvos.

Since the person perceives the object as probably shuman (or whatever)
that's the metzi'us, not the actual G-d-only-knows actual origin of
the fat.

But that's only when it comes to metzi'us, not to unknown dinim.

I do now know behavioral economics. But since I am invoking the notion
of perception, I would expect significant overlap.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

-- 
Micha Berger             "I think, therefore I am." - Renne Descartes
mi...@aishdas.org        "I am thought about, therefore I am -
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On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 10:39:26PM +0200, Eli Turkel via Avodah wrote:
: > Even when the cost benefit analysis advises action, there is still that
: > pesky cost.
: 
: I find this a little like the tail the dog. We all study how Mordecai and
: Esther were the heros of Purim. The possible objections of members of the
: Sanhedrin has been lost in the dustbins of history.
: Yes it would be nice if Joseph would have been learning Torah all day
: instead of being viceroy to Pharoh but in the end he saved the family and
: so Jewish history.

And yet, the business about Mordechai not being ratzui to that mi'ut echav 
because of his break from learning is the gemara, not me.

So rather than simply dismissing the idea, we have to understand how to fit
it in the bigger picture.

-Micha

On 3/15/2017 10:12 PM, Micha Berger via Avodah wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 09:33:48AM -0700, saul newman via Avodah wrote:
> : if one neither drank alcohol  nor slept on purim, what mitzva did they
> : violate? were they yotzeh the mitzva of eating a seuda on purim?
>
> http://www.torahmusings.com/2013/02/drinking-on-purim-2/
> http://www.torahmusings.com/2014/03/drinking-on-purim-3/
>
> The Ran, the Baal haMaor, the Shibolei haleqet, the Bach, the Taz
> and the Arukh haShulchan say there is no such chuyuv. Not as an
> actual mandatory obligation.
>
> The Baal haMaor reads the gemara as "Rabba Shechat lei leR' Zeira
> is the masqana, and one is not supposed to drink on Purim.

For the record, the verb shachat in Akkadian (Babylonian) means 
"attack", rather than "slaughter".

If you have no problem viewing baruch Mordechai and arur Haman as the 
same thing all the time (not getting into the argument again), would you 
still have to drink or sleep according to those who say it is a chiyuv?

Lisa

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Yaakov seek it?
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in re this bracha.  un like some parts of country , fruit trees in bloom.
 many prefer to wait till nissan.
question--- if you are seeing the flowers daily but not making the bracha,
you can defer it till later ie you were not yotze by seeing a blossom; or
like lightning, make the bracha now or not at all...
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Part of this portion goes into meticulous detail regarding the 'bigdei
kehuna,"  (the clothing of the kohanim).				   
									   
									   
									   
	       The word "beged," in addition to meaning "garment" can also
mean "betrayal" ("bagad" to deal treacherously and "b'gidah" treachery).   
									   
									   
									   
[Ashamnu, Bagadnu]  What is this telling us?  Clothing, garments or
vestments like anything else used improperly is a betrayal to what's right. 

When the garments were used for holiness, they were "bigdei hakodesh" (holy
vestments). This term "bigdei hakodesh" (holy vestments) appears	   
									   
									   
						in the Torah occasionally
(Ex.39:1).  Where do we ever hear of holy garments?  Could you imagine
going to Macy's and requesting a holy pair of jeans			   
									   
									   
			   [they'd probably refer you to the Salvation
Army].	The word "kadosh" (holy) can also have the opposite meaning.  If
the bigdei kehuna were properly utilized,				   
									   
									   
       then there was Kedusha in the most positive sense.  But if not, it
was a betrayal to HaShem and the kedusha reversed.			   
									   
									   
									   
     The word LIVE if abused, spells EVIL in reverse.

This emphasis upon detail is most conspicuous throughout this entire
Sidrah. This brings to mind that human greatness is not achieved by a
one-time								   
									   
						     spectacular
accomplishment ? rather by the steady performance of duties and good deeds.
Moshe saw greatness in the little things,				   
									   
									   
						    in the precise
execution of orders and faithful attention to the minutiae of all God's
mitzvot.

?And Moshe looked over all the work and behold! ? they had done it as the
Lord had commanded, so they had done. And Moshe blessed them." (39:43)	   
									   
									   
						  [Though the Torah doesn?t
record the words of Moshe?s blessing, the Midrash states he recited the
last verse of Psalm 90 (?Veehee noam??).

The Talmud (Zevachim 88b) states that the Bigdei Kehuna (Priestly Clothing) achieved atonement for specific sins.

The oldest symbol for the hypocrite is that of a man who cloaks his true nature under a disguise.
Macbeth, Shakespeare

The Ramban says that David HaMelech made a mistake and thought that the 
issur of taking a direct census was a mitzvah for the Dor HaMidbar only.

How does David HaMelech make a mistake like that???? And if he made a 
mistake, how is it that no one corrected him? Or was David like other 
kings who simply were unwilling to listen to anyone, including a navi?

Ben



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