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Volume 35: Number 35

Mon, 20 Mar 2017

• 1. Re: Yesodei HaTorah, Perek 6 (Micha Berger)
• 2. Re: fruit tree (Micha Berger)
• 3. Re: kavua/Rov ()
• 4. super stores (saul newman)
• 5. Re: fruit tree (saul newman)
• 6. Re: Farfetched Ukimtas (H Lampel)
• 7. Re: How to become a kohein (elazar teitz)
• 8. Re: How to become a kohein (Zev Sero)
• 9. KLP Chocolate - Are KLP Required? (Rabbi Meir G. Rabi)
• 10. Kasher because hot Chametz may have splattered on it (Rabbi Meir G. Rabi)
• 11. Re: kashering question ()
• 12. Re: fruit tree (Zev Sero)
• 13. KaVuA and Kol DePoRish (Rabbi Meir G. Rabi)

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 09:35:26PM +0200, Ben Waxman via Avodah wrote:
: The sixth chapter of Yesodei HaTorah in the Mishne Torah, erasing God's
: name, seems like such a minor topic compared to the other issues dealt
: with in that book: Prophecy, God's Unity, Moshe, etc. The sixth chapter
: could easily fit into the halachot dealing with writing a Seifer Torah.

The sequence, as per the list of mitzvos in the intro to Yesodei haTorah:
    1- To know there is a G-d
    2- Not to cross your mind that there is a G-d other than H'
    3- To Unify Him (leYachado -- the Rambam has a verb, so I do too)
    4- To Love Him
    5- To have Fear/Awe from Him
    6- To sanctify His name/reputation
    7- Not to desecrate His name/reputation
    8- Not to lose/destroy things that have His name on them
    9- To listen to a navi who speaks in His name
    10- Not to test him

You're asking about #8, but it seems to me that 6-8 make a logical
sequence, all of which are expressions of Ahavas and Yir'as Hashem
(4-5).

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 01:26:21PM -0700, saul newman via Avodah wrote:
: question--- if you are seeing the flowers daily but not making the bracha,
: you can defer it till later ie you were not yotze by seeing a blossom; or
: like lightning, make the bracha now or not at all...

Wouldn't the question be whether you hold that the berakhah cannot
be made before Nissan, or that the berakhah should ideally be made in
Nissan? If the former, then seeing the bloom on a fruit tree before
Nissan is not encountering the situation that requires a berakhah.

The Har Zvi (OC 118) says that if in your country tree bloom before
Nissan, you can say the berakhah then. He also says that since the time is
not strictly the cause of the mitzvah, it is NOT a mitzvas asei shehazman
gerama, and women are as encoutraged to say it as men.

Along those lines, maybe you can deduce from the Kaf haChaim's resport
(OC 226:7-8) that Sephardios are nohagos to say this berakhah that it's
not specifically tied to Nissan.

The AhS (OC 226:1) says that if in your country (like his), blooming
tends to be later, the appropriate time would be Iyar or Sivan. It is
not mucharach that he would say the same about Adar, but it seems likely
to me.

So it seems to me, zerizim maqdimin -- don't wait for Nissan!

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

-- 
Micha Berger             "The worst thing that can happen to a
mi...@aishdas.org        person is to remain asleep and untamed."
http://www.aishdas.org          - Rabbi Simcha Zissel Ziv, Alter of Kelm
Fax: (270) 514-1507

 
From: Micha Berger via Avodah  <avo...@lists.aishdas.org>

>> If a woman had premarital  relations and we need to determine if she can
marry a kohein, we follow rov  if the man approached her, because that is
kol deparish. However, if she went  to the guy, it's qavua. And so, we
need to know if the trist happened in town  or in a location people travel
to...etc << 

 

-- 
Micha  Berger            
mi...@aishdas.org         





>>>>>>>
 
 
 
 
Post coitum omne animal triste est.  No matter where the tryst took  place. 
 I suppose this is especially true if the woman realizes she can  never 
marry a kohen after this....
 

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t6...@aol.com
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http://www.koshertoday.com/kosher-independent-stores-
concerned-discounter-will-hinder-one-stop-shopping/

is there any chance that there will be a psak not to shop at large discount
[frum] stores whose side effect is putting economic duress upon smaller
shopping outlets?     in one sense it benefits the tzibbur to have cheaper
prices, but disadvantages
store owners who might otherwise be richer...
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when i looked at sources , [and i think the MB would agree with your take ]
, there seems to be a al pi derech sod approach that  davka nissan is the
time for the bracha.

now however, if i would follow my wife's [L ] practice , in which case
Nissan is the time , i can look at my blooms daily and still make the
bracha,
however, i had in the past made it in adar.   i am thinking now that
according to that line of thinking, the first time i saw the blooms would
have been the right time to do it ,
and i have essentially forfeited the right to make that bracha, like as if
i had done naanunim and then realize i didnt bench , i was mekayem the
mitzva.

so i am thinkng maybe wait till nissan and make without shem and
malchut---but i suspect it will be on someone else's tree, since in ten
days all the blossoms would likely be off.

also , the sod /Nissan people seem to hold there need be two trees
minimum....    but maybe the dwarf apple will bloom this year.   we had a
chiddush something called rain this year...

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Micha Berger <mi...@aishdas.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 01:26:21PM -0700, saul newman via Avodah wrote:
> : question--- if you are seeing the flowers daily but not making the
> bracha,
> : you can defer it till later ie you were not yotze by seeing a blossom; or
> : like lightning, make the bracha now or not at all...
>
> Wouldn't the question be whether you hold that the berakhah cannot
> be made before Nissan, or that the berakhah should ideally be made in
> Nissan? If the former, then seeing the bloom on a fruit tree before
> Nissan is not encountering the situation that requires a berakhah.
>
> The Har Zvi (OC 118) says that if in your country tree bloom before
> Nissan, you can say the berakhah then. He also says that since the time is
> not strictly the cause of the mitzvah, it is NOT a mitzvas asei shehazman
> gerama, and women are as encoutraged to say it as men.
>
> Along those lines, maybe you can deduce from the Kaf haChaim's resport
> (OC 226:7-8) that Sephardios are nohagos to say this berakhah that it's
> not specifically tied to Nissan.
>
> The AhS (OC 226:1) says that if in your country (like his), blooming
> tends to be later, the appropriate time would be Iyar or Sivan. It is
> not mucharach that he would say the same about Adar, but it seems likely
> to me.
>
> So it seems to me, zerizim maqdimin -- don't wait for Nissan!
>
> Tir'u baTov!
> -Micha
>
> --
> Micha Berger             "The worst thing that can happen to a
> mi...@aishdas.org        person is to remain asleep and untamed."
> http://www.aishdas.org          - Rabbi Simcha Zissel Ziv, Alter of Kelm
> Fax: (270) 514-1507
>
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On 3/20/2017 1:12 PM, Micha Berger wrote:
> ...Perhaps by using an explanation like RMA's; RET's description of which
> really appealed to me.
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 9:24pm IST, Eli Turkel wrote:
>: Rav Michal Avraham has a lengthy article (in Hebrew) justifying uktimtot.
> ...
>: ... The gemara is trying to set up some
>: circumstance where no other laws affect the issue. This requires a far
>: fetched ukimta to eliminate everything not pertinent...

Personally, I don't see how this applies to the piece  RMBluke's questioned.

> Whereas the Rambam would be more motivated to go somewhere more like
> RZL's answer.
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 3:06pm EST, H Lampel wrote:
> : The author of the braissa merely listed the exceptional objects, and
> : left it for the reader to come up with the details. (This is common
> : in note-taking of a lesson, and notes written for a lecture.)
> : And/Or, having  been taught this chiddush with its details, the
> : author took down notes merely listing the exceptional objects,
> : leaving the details of circumstance to memory and/or oral
> : transmission.

...with the essential understanding that Shmuel, on behalf of whose
statement the Gemora offered the ukimtos, received or derived his stand
independently of the braissa that listed the cases without qualification.

But my son has since pointed out to me that sevara-wise, Shmuel's stand
that permanence determines whether something is considered a barrier
to tum'ah is emenantly reasonable. Furthermore, it makes perfect sense
even from the braissa itself which, in listing what is and what is not
considered a barrier to tum'ah, contrasts the listed cases (grass, bird,
etc.) with ice and snow. So again, the braissa is listing things that one
could find situations in which they would have permanence, in contrast
to snow and ice, etc., which can never have permanence (in the sages'
part of the world). What else could be the difference between these
two groups of items? The ukimtos are therefore not farfetched at all,
and really very reasonable.

Zvi Lampel

"Yaaqov was born in 2108 and goes to Mitzrayim in 2238, he's 130. Avraham
was "va'adoni zaqein" at 99, so however aging worke d for the avos, we can
sure 130 was well past surprisingly old age for fathering children."

And yet, Avraham apparently married K'tura after Sara's death (which took
place when he was 137), and he fathered six more children.  (And according
to the Midrash that K'tura was Hagar, the mother of those children was not
so young either -- it was more than 50 years after Yishmael's birth.)

EMT
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On 20/03/17 13:18, Micha Berger via Avodah wrote:
>
> Yaaqov was born in 2108 and goes to Mitzrayim in 2238, he's 130. Avraham
> was "va'adoni zaqein" at 99, so however aging workd for the avos, we can
> sure 130 was well past surprisingly old age for fathering children.

But avraham was *not* past fathering children at 99.  He fathered 8 more 
when he was in his late 130s/early 140s, and there's no indication that 
this was any kind of miracle or surprise.

-- 
Zev Sero                May 2017, with its *nine* days of Chanukah,
z...@sero.name           be a brilliant year for us all

To those who suggest that without a Hechsher for Pesach one cannot know
that it doesn't contain a mashehu or beliah of chametz -

This seems fairly nonsensical - after all how do we know that the meat we
eat - with all the very best Hechsherim - is not in fact Tereif? After all,
there is no Hechsher that checks for every single possible blemish that may
render the animal Tereifa.

Halacha relies on Rov.

Furthermore, if an Ashkenazi Rabbi or K agency gives a Hechsher, that does
not qualify for Bittul LeChatChila. Reb Moshe says so quite clearly - he
describes it as MeChuAr.

Best,

Meir G. Rabi

0423 207 837
+61 423 207 837
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If there is a chance that Chamets may have splattered on a utensil
we may WANT to Kasher it before using it for Pesach
but my Q was is it NECESSARY

I think not

can anyone provide sources - and I dont mean an local Shule guide-sheet
unless it provides a Halachic source

Best,

Meir G. Rabi

0423 207 837
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From: M Cohen via Avodah  <avo...@lists.aishdas.org>
"

>>> anyone have any idea  of how to kasher a faucet that has a pull down 
sprayer
hose ?  <<<

>>  http://www.cor.ca/view/787/cor_passover_magazine_20175777.html

see pg  32

extend and dip in boiling water (be careful if plastic)  <<

 
 
 
>>>>
 
Thank you for that very useful link.  Note: It's page 32 of the  magazine 
but page 18 of the 59-page pdf
 
 
 
PS Because the shpritzer is difficult to clean properly and  because it is 
mostly plastic, I've always been dubious as to its  kasherability, so I 
personally do not use my shpritzer on Pesach. I pour boiling  water all over it 
when I kasher the sink, but then I wrap it up with foil and  tape to remind 
myself not to use it.  But my shpritzer is a separate thing  at the side of 
the sink, not a pull-down part of the tap.  
 
 



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In Melbourne we never said this brocho, and thought of it as a 
theoretical halocho with no practical application.  It came as a 
surprise to me (though of course it shouldn't have) when I first was in 
america during Nissan and saw people actually saying this brocho.


-- 
Zev Sero                May 2017, with its *nine* days of Chanukah,
z...@sero.name           be a brilliant year for us all

In response to R Micha's observations

It is easier - at least for me - to discuss actual cases and situations
rather than general guidelines. So, safeiq de'leisa leqaman, let's say
refers to the assertion that most beasts are not Tereifa. Is this situation
not accurately described as a TaAruvos, a mixture in which the minor part
is lost and becomes insignificant?

Clearly, where we have liquids that are combined there can be no Parish
since we assume it is an even dispersion and every drop contains some of
both parts of the mixture. I dont understand why this is relevant to my
analysis of KaVuA and Kol DePoRish.

In a non-liquid mixture, dwelling on the risk of whether one is eating a
Kosher or a non-Kosher component, is a distraction from the principles of
Rov and KaVuA; it is what leads to the great confusion and unanswerable
question - but the statistics of the meat being K or not K are identical be
it that the meat is found in the street or we forgot which shop we entered
to make our purchase.

The woman who falls pregnant to a man unknown to her, who came to her home
- is assumed to have come from the Rov. However, if she went out then it is
the equivalent of the shopper who wanders into a shop, buys meat and knows
not which shop they have have wondered into.

Best,

Meir G. Rabi

0423 207 837
+61 423 207 837
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