Volume 39: Number 78
Fri, 03 Sep 2021
Subjects Discussed In This Issue:
Message: 1
From: Micha Berger
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 14:40:31 -0400
Subject: Re: [Avodah] bechira?
On Wed, Sep 01, 2021 at 12:39:13AM +0000, Rich, Joel via Avodah wrote:
> Bava Batra 164b quotes R'Sheshet as saying there are three sins "ein
> adam nitzol mehen bchol yom." Sounds like free will can't overcome?
I think R Amram is quoting Rav is saying that for most of us, situations
arise daily where it would be beyond the nequdas habechirah for us to
avoid hirhurei aveira, sliding through davening without thinking or
saying LH.
R Dessler to the rescue.
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From: Rich, Joel
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 18:58:22 +0000
Subject: Re: [Avodah] bechira?
> Bava Batra 164b quotes R'Sheshet as saying there are three sins "ein
> adam nitzol mehen bchol yom." Sounds like free will can't overcome?
I think R Amram is quoting Rav is saying that for most of us, situations
arise daily where it would be beyond the nequdas habechirah for us to
avoid hirhurei aveira, sliding through davening without thinking or
saying LH.
R Dessler to the rescue.
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So would you say that R'ED holds that one is not held responsible for cases where it's beyond the nequdas habechirah?
Kvct
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From: Micha Berger
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 16:48:20 -0400
Subject: Re: [Avodah] bechira?
On Wed, Sep 01, 2021 at 06:58:22PM +0000, Rich, Joel wrote:
> So would you say that R'ED holds that one is not held responsible
> for cases where it's beyond the nequdas habechirah?
Not directly, but... One could be accountable for it beyond beyond one's
nequdah. A tinoq shenishba wouldn't, because they started out with the
conflicts on some subject being at a low level. But if it's the location
of the "battlefront" is at a pathetic location because of the person's
own choices, that's on their cheshbon.
So, indirectly, the person could be accountable or partially accountable.
Tir'u baTov!
-Micha
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From: Prof. L. Levine
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2021 13:51:27 +0000
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From: <allan.en...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2021 17:19:58 +0100
Subject: Re: [Avodah] Which foods should one avoid eating on Rosh
Judging by the quasi-seder style 'simanim' publications that have
proliferated in recent years, if the name of a food (in any language)
appears to have negative associations, one just wishes those attributes
on 'oyveinu' or 'soneinu'.
ADE
On Wed, 1 Sept 2021 at 17:49, Prof. L. Levine via Avodah <
avo...@lists.aishdas.org> wrote:
> From today's OU Kosher Halacha Yomis
>
> *Q. Which foods should one avoid eating on Rosh Hashana?*
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From: Micha Berger
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2021 13:02:12 -0400
Subject: [Avodah] Machnisei Rachamim redux
I have two new data points about the issue of Makhnisei Rachamim and
whether it crosses the line into praying to middlemen.
1- It's not "just" the Gra and R Chaim Volozhiner:
The Maharal is also bothered by the problem, and recommends tweaking
the nusach. (Nesiva haAvodah ch. 12)
I get that. The piyut dates back at least to R Amram Gaon. The route
of totally omitting it is difficult.
The Chasam Sofer said he would spend a long time on Nefilas Aparyim so
that he was busy during the piyut. (OC #166)
2- Why assume we are referring to mal'achim?
The Be'er Yaaqov (a commentary on Selichos by R Chaim Tzevi Font)
explains the following:
Avraham was "av rachaman", Yitzchaq was "yatza ... lacuach basedeh",
Yaaqov -- "haqol qol Yaaqov", and David writes about his own crying,
"sim'ah dim'asi benodekha".
They are the Makhnisei Rachamim, Makhnisei Tefillah, Makhnisei Tze'aqah
and Makhnisei Dim'ah, respectively.
Although it makes me wonder: Why then "makhnisei" and not "makhnis"?
While the Gra would still have a problem making requests of meisim,
asking the deceased for a berakhah is far more commonly accepted than
turning to angels as though they have wills of their own.
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From: Micha Berger
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 16:48:20 -0400
Subject: Re: [Avodah] bechira?
On Wed, Sep 01, 2021 at 06:58:22PM +0000, Rich, Joel wrote:
> So would you say that R'ED holds that one is not held responsible
> for cases where it's beyond the nequdas habechirah?
Not directly, but... One could be accountable for it beyond beyond one's
nequdah. A tinoq shenishba wouldn't, because they started out with the
conflicts on some subject being at a low level. But if it's the location
of the "battlefront" is at a pathetic location because of the person's
own choices, that's on their cheshbon.
So, indirectly, the person could be accountable or partially accountable.
Tir'u baTov!
-Micha
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Message: 8
From: Zev Sero
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2021 10:25:24 -0400
Subject: Re: [Avodah] Machnisei Rachamim redux
On 2/9/21 1:02 pm, Micha Berger via Avodah wrote:
> They are the Makhnisei Rachamim, Makhnisei Tefillah, Makhnisei Tze'aqah
> and Makhnisei Dim'ah, respectively.
>
> Although it makes me wonder: Why then "makhnisei" and not "makhnis"?
Perhaps "they and everyone who is like them"?
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From: Zev Sero
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2021 11:10:45 -0400
Subject: Re: [Avodah] Which foods should one avoid eating on Rosh
On 1/9/21 8:11 am, Prof. L. Levine via Avodah wrote:
> it is customary to avoid bitter and vinegary foods on Rosh Hashana (see,
> for example, Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 129:9).
KSA does indeed say that, but I am not aware of any earlier source for
avoiding "bitter and vinegary foods"; every source I've seen says
"vinegar". The point of avoiding vinegar is *not* that it tastes sour,
it's that it's a siman kelala, to the extent that there is an opinion in
the mishna that one can not say a bracha on it. *That* is what we are
trying to avoid on RH. Lately I have been happy to see products like
chrain produced especially for RH without vinegar.
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