Minyan for a Davar sheBiqdushah

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  1. Eliezer Eisenberg says:

    Good thoughts. I, from a more “yeshivisheh” perspective, would say that devorim shbikdusha require a environment of a chalos kedusha. Once that environment is created, it persists.

    • micha says:

      In the next se’if (#8), the AhS writes about a minyan that evaporates in the middle of leining. They finish the 7 aliyos, but maftir is a new inyan and there is no minyan for it. Even though the maftir would be immediately after leining, like a Qaddish would be.

      Rather, I think Qaddish is uniquely a closing ceremony, and therefore it alone depends on the minyan of the section being closed. Still, it is called a davar shebiqdushah like Borkhu or Qedushah. Which implies that the idiom “davar shebiqdushah” is not referring to the qedushah of Qaddish itself creating the need for minyan. And thus by parallel the other tefillos. (As I noted — this is more consistent with the “shebi-” anyway.)

      What you call your “more ‘yeshivisheh’ perspective”, I would say it really more Brisker. “Chalos” is a way to abstract halachic categories away from any prior logic. It is very much a “Vos?” framework rather than the “Fahr vos?” I was working within.

      To me the focus of the post was the idea that the qedushah under discussion is that of the minyan, of people coming together, not of the prayer or learning. This is why I put the post in my “Other-Focused Orthodoxy” category.

      Something that should have gone into the post (and maybe will in an edit, if you agree) is this quote from R’ Shimon:

      היינו, שנהיה אנחנו בחירי יצוריו, מגמתנו תמיד להקדיש כוחותינו הגופניים והרוחניים לטובת הרבים, כפי ערכנו, ולדעתי כל ענין זה נכלל במצות ה׳ של ״קְדֹשִים תִהְיוּ.״

      Qedushah comes from people committing to do Hashem’s work.

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